Resolving the Angelic Conflict

[Disclaimer: The quote below is taken from the Dictionary of Doctrine website. When I originally posted the excerpt below I purposely did not include a link to the source. The reason for this is that I recognized the materials to be taken from the work of R.B. Thieme, Jr. The Dictionary of Doctrine site provides no attribution that I know of and, knowing that R.B. Thieme, Jr., Bible Ministries is very vigilant in protecting their copyrights, I didn’t want the site to “go away.” I ended out discovering that the owner of the Dictionary of Doctrine site had modified some of Colonel Thieme’s teaching in a way that would have made him apoplectic. I notified some people who are associated with R. B. Thieme, Jr., Bible Ministries of the existence of the Dictionary of Doctrine site. The site is still there and I have no idea if any action will ever be taken by R. B. Thieme, Jr., Bible Ministries against it.]

Once again this excerpt is almost identical to what I was taught while growing up in Colonel Thieme’s church. I do believe that Satan and one-third of the angels revolted against God before Adam and Eve were created. If you read the first section on the resolution of the angelic conflict, it seems likely that the author believes in an old earth gap theory (please read my previous article on the gap theory here). I no longer hold to the “old earth” gap theory but I do hold to a “young earth” gap theory like Arnold Fruchtenbaum does. I have become convinced that sin entering the world through Adam’s fall (Romans 5:12) precludes dinosaurs living and dying on earth prior to the fall.

As I have mentioned before the topic of the “gap theory” really seems to stir up passions among Christians. I don’t want to debate anyone as to whether any form of the gap theory is valid. I will say that if anyone believes that mankind was created by God to resolve the angelic conflict then that person probably believes in the gap theory. I do believe that so there you go.

Here is this weeks installment:

Resolving the angelic conflict[1]

To resolve the angelic conflict, a creature inferior to angels was created and placed on one planet. (Psa 8:5; Heb 2:7) Now you have to understand something about the angels and demons, (Fallen angels): they were created with the ability to travel throughout the universe with all of its galaxies; and some of the angels have “CHARIOTS.” (Isa 66:15; Eze 1:19; Eze 10:13) cf. (1Ki 7:32-33; (1Ch 28:18) Generally their abode was in the second heaven, and they had access to the third heaven for angelic convocations. (Job 1:6) Certain angels, such as Lucifer, lived in the third heaven. (Eze 28:13-15) But when the angelic fall occurred in the third heaven, and after the revolt that took a third of the angels with him, he established a headquarters on a very tiny planet which we call “earth.” (Job 1:7) At the rebellion God turned the earth into a block of black ice. (Gen 1:2; Jer 4:23-26) Under Satan, the earth had become what the original language describes as ’’tohu wa-bohu,” which means that it was desolate and ruined. So God covered the whole earth with deep darkness, resulting in an ice pack, (“Ice Age” — and this is what also ruined the dinosaurs). It stayed that way for an unknown period of time, during which time the fallen angels had their trial and were sentenced. The earth had been in existence for perhaps billions of years; its antiquity is unknown and even carbon dating cannot help us. But when Satan made his objection, God the Holy Spirit removed the ice pack and set about reestablishing the earth and putting it in order. In six days, (Literal days) God reestablished the earth and made it habitable for a new creature — man. To put it briefly: in order to resolve the angelic conflict, an inferior creature, (Man) was placed on one planet, (The earth) possessing one thing which the angels had — free will or volition. (Psa 8:3-5; Heb 2:7)

(Heb 1:1) thru (Heb 2:18) actually give us the whole story.

Volition tested

Now, since God does not desire to force love and obedience from His creatures, man’s volition must also be tested. Human volition on the earth was tested in the same manner as angelic volition. As a matter of fact, there were four similarities involved: (1) both angels and mankind began in status quo perfection. (2) Both angels and mankind went negative and sinned. (Isa 14:13-14; Gen 3:5-6) (3) God had to provide for this contingency, which He had anticipated. Therefore, for the angels He provided a Salvation which is unknown to us at this time. For mankind He provided a Salvation which is known to us the cross. (4) For this reason both angels and men are divided into two categories chosen or elect and fallen angels, and saved and unsaved mankind. (Heb 2:2; John 3:18) The two categories of mankind can be very simply stated: positive volition is believing in Jesus Christ; negative volition is rejection of Christ or for believers — rejection of Truth.

Because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and Divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. (Rom 1:19-21)

The Test Under Perfect Environment

There were two tests instituted for man’s volition: Adam had two, and since then, all mankind has one. First, in perfection and under perfect environment, Adam’s negative volition was tested with a tree. There was just one tree that was forbidden. The only way he could sin was to go negative and partake of the fruit of that one tree, and this he did. (Gen 2:17) — Also describes the penalty for sin in connection with that tree: “…For in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.” The word “die” refers to Spiritual death; (Separation from God in time).

Adam did not die physically the moment he sinned. He died SPIRITUALLY! He was cut off or separated from God. He did not die physically until he was 930 years old. (Gen 5:5) Therefore, “the wages of sin” obviously is not physical death. (As is taught in just about every Bible school in the United States) The wages of sin is Spiritual death; and as a result of the fall physical death. (Rom 6:23; Heb 9:27)


[1] Just so no one gets the wrong idea I would like to mention once again that this is not my original work. I believe that it is based at least in part on the work of R.B. Thieme, Jr who did some brilliant studies on angels and the angelic conflict (I link to his site in the sidebar). I am providing the information here because I firmly believe it is important for it to reach a wider audience.

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2 Comments on “Resolving the Angelic Conflict”


  1. first I must say that your smile look angelic to my view; I enjoyed angels beleif to have been created before humans,it make sense that some invisible power good or evil exist, because some IDEAS we produce in a time where we need to express it on a subject confronting GOD, OR confronting Evil, thoses same ideas appear in the mind and surprise even the person who is about to lay it down, be it a keybord or by spoken words or by hand written caracters.MOST of the time, we dont bother to pay attention,we might have a thought that make one say or type or hand write” wow it’s weerd,or something’s funny happen”. thank you

  2. Glenn Says:

    Hi I ♥ Bees,

    It’s nice to hear from you again! I thought you had stopped visiting the blog. I am pleased that you like this post. I believe that neglect of the angelic conflict is a major hole in most Christians understanding of why we are here.

    Thank you for stopping by.

    Glenn


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